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holyfield. champ, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. chris hayes is up tonight on "all in." a fire storm of protests against indiana's so called religious freedom bill. are republicans rethinking their stance? >> we're willing to add some clarity legislatively. >> then, deadline, iran. how close is a nuclear deal? >> plus the growing threat to america's power grid. an attack every four days. a debate over whether the u.s. should try to contact potential aliens in the united states. the push for a new primary for hillary clinton, and the new host of "the daily show." >> hello, everyone, hello. >> we say in south africa
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hello. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. we begin with news from indiana where republicans have gone from offense to defense. governor mike pence just signed a new religious freedom law, but today republicans held a press conference to discuss changing their new law. they say it will lessen the burden and make it hard tore discriminate against gay americans or other groups. here are republican leaders discussing that law today. >> it is not the intent to discriminate against anyone and it will not be allowed to discriminate against anyone. to the extent that we need to clarify that this law does not and will not be allowed to discriminate against anyone, we plan to do just that. >> but a wide range of opponents want the law stopped. angie's list says they're
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halting a plan for a $40 million expansion at their headquarters because of all of this, and public protests continued in indiana and around the country. opposition surging online, 200,000 people now calling for an indiana boycott. dan malone today banned travel to any state that doesn't have religious freedom. the mayors of san francisco and seattle also banning city funded travel to the state of indiana. and then the big guns, the ncaa which is based in indiana and is hosting the final four in just a few days through it's president is renewing what it calls concern about this law. >> our values are built around -- an environment that we can't maximize those values is something that we take very, very seriously. this is disappointing in the actions of the legislature.
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and something that concerns us quite a bit. >> all of this left governor pence backtracking. he says the law doesn't discriminate at all. now he says he's open to some kind of clarification. >> we're not going to change the law, okay? but if the general assembly in indiana sends me a bill that reiterates and amplifies and clarifies what the law really is and has been for the last 20 years, then i'm open to that. >> when he says the last 20 years, he seems to be referencing a law that seems to be similar to indiana's. but he says it was not written to protect corporations or employers, it was for protecting religious practices. that is why even some republicans here, in fact many republicans, not jumping to pence's defense. he said a proposed bill for his state just makes, quote, no sense. let's get to with it ryan
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anderson, dan savage, and msnbc political analyst michael steele. >> ryan, i want to go right to you, what do you make up for the law that could be used to put corporations or employers religious views above those of regular american citizens. >> i think it treats all american citizens equally. it says that all faiths have their right to live out their faith in public life, and if the government will exercise their burden, they need to show they're doing so for a compelling reason in the least restrictive ways possible. that has governed federal law for over 20 years.
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the sponsors were -- >> the substance was a good substance. and bill clinton signed it into law. >> i'm asking you more about substance rather than were there multiple people for -- >> the substance is good substance and that's why we saw a unanimous vote in the house and bill clinton signed it into law. >> i want to brick our panelist in but let me put the question to you that was put to mr. pence that he couldn't answer. let's play that from sunday. >> you cannot refuse to serve a gay couple without fear of punishment. >> weshlgs let me well let me explain to you -- >> is that now legal in indiana? >> george, this is where the debate has gone. >> it's just a question, sir. >> there has been shameless rhetoric. >> is it true or not? >> george, look -- >> do you think it should be
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legal in the state of indiana to discriminate against gays or lesbians? >> george -- >> it's a yes or no question. >> come on. >> you can see some of the pain there. is it my question for you, ryan do you see this law as allowing people who for religious reasons who don't want to serve gays to have those protections? >> of course not. the only religious liberty concerns are around marriages and wedding ceremonies. what this law would do -- it doesn't say who would win such a claim. it just says that a citizen could bring a claim to a court and say that a law that would force them to celebrate a same-sex wedding, they can get that reviewed by the court and then the government would have to show that it has a compelling government interest that's it's forcing, for example, a 70-year-old grandmother into providing flowers for a same-sex
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marriage. >> ken saveage, what do you think? >> i think ryan is mistaken. the religious freedom act that chuck schumer supported, that bill clinton signed into law, this law is so broadly worded that although the intent is to target gays and lesbians and transgenders for discrimination which is why a similar law in georgia was attached when there was a similar ban. but all against all potentially. and this really settled civil rights law. if you open the doors of a private business and you're opened to the public you have to be open to all of the public. publicly financed roads, roads that everyone pays for brings people to your business. the police departments and fire departments that protect your business. you're not allowed to decide at the front door that you want to discriminate against large swaths of the public. you know anti-black bigots
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racist big got, jim crowe during the legislation made the same arguments that you're hearing now. there is an infamous interview on the owner of a restaurant owner using the same phrases -- >> michael, let me get your response first. >> it's one of these moments when you sit there and you just go, "why"? even with respect to the religious freedom act, the idea was related to government. and now governor pence is saying it has been misinterpreted from it's intent. if the intent is to mirror what the question is, what is intent? if the intent is to mirror what the federal law is then fine. draft the law that way and then
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you make it very clear by adding to your state constitution or otherwise language that protects every citizen in that state from discrimination. when you can't answer that question fundamentally, that's when you get on the slippery slope and have a real problem with the broader public. >> ryan go ahead. >> sure. that's exactly what this law does. this law protects every citizen in the state of indiana from government discrimination. it says the government cannot coerce anyone's free exercise of religion unless it's doing it in a least restrictive way possible. >> ryan is using the definition -- >> it's the same legal standard as 31 other states. >> no it is not. >> it strikes me that all of the businesses currently boycotting indiana says they want to run their business in accordance with their values. why is it that the 70-year-old
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grandma can't be free to run her business with her beliefs or an evangelical -- this law protects all -- >> ryan, i'm going to ask you a question and then dan i'll get your rebuttal. ryan what do you think about folks that look at this and says it changes the standards of compelling interest but what happens when indiana runs into someone running a business who says their business reflects extreme muslim values and women can't enter or work there unless they are in a hijab. do you think that's a good idea? >> i think in a free society if a muslim wants to run a business in accordance with their muslim values, then as americans, we let muslims be muslims. so they are running a business -- >> if it's a legal and state law matter, can they say women have to dress a certain way to patron the business? >> that would have to be solved by the courts. the courts will have to decide
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whether it's an interest being pursued in the least restrictive way possible. the muslim would have his day in court to say this is what his religion requires and we'd have to see from the government to see why they have to coerce this religion. >> the law says if the muslim who attempting to discriminate against women, that he wins. so really what this -- >> that doesn't say he wins. >> let mefinish. there's discrimination that ryan is attempting to inject into the discourse here where the government is discriminating against you if it orders you not to discriminate against your fellow citizens. if you open a business and open the doors to the public you must serve all of the public. >> they are serving all of the public. >> ryan wants to take us back 50 years. >> no that's not true. >> gentlemen, i'm going to bring
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the chairman back in. chairman steele come join me in this conversation as well. i want to ask you, you can see the pain on governor pence's in that interview. fair questioning from george stephanopoulos or whether he may be rethinking this is a bad idea. where does this go mr. chairman? >> i think you saw the governor go through a combination of most of those emotions. he wants to get out of this as quickly as possible largely because i don't think the governor anticipated the backlash from the corporate community. this is the first team that the corporate community has sent a very clear and unconfusing signal, that this is where they want to go and this is their concern about this type of law. so i think that took them aback and i think what you've heard is almost deafening silence from a lot of potential presidential candidates. >> yep. >> as well as other republican
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leaders on this issue because, a, they don't want to embarrass the governor but, b, they don't want to have to answer this question and, quite honestly i don't know if we shouldn't answer this question because there are good examples on either side that we have to wrestle with quite honestly, ari. >> the reason they don't want to answer the question and the reason pence didn't want to answer the question is yes, the intent it to discriminate against gays and lesbians and transgender people. >> we're out of time. dan savage ryan michael steele appreciate you coming on. ryan, we reached out to folks in indiana who didn't want to come on. appreciate you sharing your views with us. ahead, we're going to talk about another controversial item. should hillary clinton face a primary challenge in 2016? if so who else is out there?
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hillary clinton is not the candidate to take on those
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powerful special interests? >> i don't know, i don't know where she stands. let's be honest here the presidency of the united states is not some crown to be passed between two families. history is full of times when the inevitable front-runner is inevitable right up until he or she is no longer inevitable. >> that was former maryland governor martin o'malley saying it is too early to declare her the presumptive nominee. o'malley is a democrat pushing her right now, but many have said a newcomer will not challenge clinton. of course senator elizabeth warren. the progressive group move on says 300,000 people have now signed on to the run warren run campaign and dan jones and a democratic candidate of her own
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are looking up with lawrence lessick to make a formal pitch for a warren candidacy. clinton, he says quote, has offered nothing to demonstrate she either gets it or cares about addressing it. joining me now is that harvard professor and lanny davis, special counsel to bill clinton and he's not officially affiliated with hillary clinton's potential campaign. good evening to you both. >> good evening. >> lawrence, what do you mean? >> well, i think the thing that elizabeth warren has done so powerfully is to focus the nation on a system that is not working for them. as she puts it the system is rigged. my view is if that's in fact true, which i agree with her it s. we need a debate a campaign that is going to focus on exactly why it is rigged and what are we going to do about
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it? if we have a one candidate primary, no debates, no effort to push this issue into the center, we won't be able to address it in a way that can rally people into getting back into politics. so many people are turned off by what they see as a failed system and the question elizabeth warren is asked is it a question we need to get answered. >> lanny, do you think the democratic party is better off with anointing hillary or this wider race? >> i don't like the word "anointing." i would say that senator sanders, senator webb should enter and join the fray to debate the specific issues that will take the country in the right direction. i happen to think that senator warren senator clinton, governor o'malley are on basic agreement of all of the issues including regulating wall street and on the very specific issues that we can talk about tonight,
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i'm not sure where the differences are between senator warren and clinton but i'm certainly in favor of a vigorous debate. i agree with the speaker completely that we'll all be better off with a vigorous debate and hillary clinton has got to work hard for every single vote. i can tell you, if she runs, she will. >> so lawrence, what do you say to that argument though that there is a lot of overlap among progressive democrats, as lanny put it? >> i think that's right. progressive democrats, all of them, see the frustration that exists about the failure of our system to function anymore. the question is whether we can move the debate beyond what everybody takes is obvious to focus on things that would actually fex actually fix the problem. that's exactly what happened in 2008 when edwards raised this debate. hillary clinton had to respond to that debate then and i think we have to move it again. unless the democratic party can give people a reason to believe,
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there is something they are going to get by showing up. we can actually fix the system -- >> what do you mean exactly in if someone is watching, are you talking about specific deals to deal with wall street and break up the banks? are you talking about money and politics? >> yeah. in my view the fundamental problem, the root problem that explains what is going on with wall street, with the student death, with the failure to get an economy going, the single fundamental issue that we have to get addressed is the system that is rigged because of the way we fund campaigns. unless we have a debate that can bring that up and address it then we're not going to make any progress. last year we did a poll and found 96% of americans and politicians not even willing to talk about it to address it in a way that gives people a sense that there's a solution that's possible and they are going to push for it. >> lanny, do you think that campaign finance reform or experiments with public funding
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or dealing with citizens united are priorities for hillary clinton based on what you know of her? >> i know the facts are that the answer is yes. on her performance in the primaries in 2008 with all due respect to someone who shared some of our issues in common hillary clinton swept every industrial major state in the united states, carried working family votes by enormous margins. she and barack obama agreed on raising the minimum wage agreed on senator warren's proposal and consumer financial protection board, at ordinary rates, not capital gains rates, she's taken on what i think are the progressive values of our party and has been a champion of women rights and human rights and all other civil rights that we stand for as progressives. so we need a debate. i completely agree and i hope that we have a vigorous debate.
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hillary clinton will be a better candidate. she stayed into the very end in 2008 and i think made barack obama a better candidate so i can't say that it should have happened this time when i was arguing this time. >> and final question to lawrence on this effort we've got all of the stats here. elizabeth warren said repeatedly she's not running. why do you think you can change her mind? >> i if i that if she sees the importance of engaging this debate and it's a debate beyond the particular that we all want we've got to get beyond fantasy politics and recognize unless we address the fundamental problem here, we're not going to get any of the things that the progressives are talking about what they want. and quite frankly, even the stuff that the people on the right say that they want the fundamental fact is that this system blocks change and until we talk about fixing the system none of us are going to get what we want and that's the debate we want to have not whether we all agree on what progressive values are. >> lawrence lessig and lanny
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nuclear negotiations between iran and six world powers are coming down to the wire. this is ahead, of course of
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tomorrow night's deadline. john kerry and counterparts from france germany, russia and china have less than 22 hours to overcome substantial differences with iran and settle on a framework deal. at this point, it's anyone's guess whether they will be able to get there. a states department spokesman told a reporter the odds are 50/50 but the atmosphere among negotiators today changed from optimism to gloom and russia's prime minister returned to moscow. he could return tomorrow. that's according to a spokesman if this deal comes within reach. i spoke with ann curry and asked her where negotiations stand at this hour. >> reporter: well, they are within striking distance within reach. there are about three or four as we can gather major issues that they still have to resolve. as you know, the clock is i can
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itting. ticking. they are breaking into teams to address each one of these critical issues. we can tell you what some of those issues are. what we do know is research and development from years 11 to 15 whether or not iran will be allowed to -- what the restrictions will be on iran's research and development of nuclear program is one of those things. another one of those things and probably the most critical thing for the iranians is going to be whether or not they will be some immediate relief of u.n. sanctions. there is already according to multiple sources, we're talking about u.s. sources, european sources as well as iranian sources that the deal to deal with the larger sanctions, the u.s. sanctions, the international sanctions, you know different countries have different sanctions, that that part of the agreement has largely been resolved and it really is going to be a kind of
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quid pro quo. in other words, if iran does a, then this particular sanctions will be relieved and this will happen over the course of many years. possibly even the length of the entire agreement. but -- but the one issue that is the real sticking point and especially for iran ari, is the u.n. sanctions. the u.n. sanctions send a message -- originally they sent a message when they were agreed to and they still sent a message to iran that they are not part of the international community. so it's sort of almost a philosophical kind of issue of pride for the iranian people. the iranian negotiators want to be able to announce that they have been able to get not only sanctions relief but immediate -- some immediate u.n. sanctions relief. >> and from your reporting out there, one of the keys to getting to the end of this is that both sides really want it.
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are they going towards the finish line that both sides equally want it badly to get it done? a. >> reporter: absolutely. u.s. -- senior u.s. officials have talked about where they are in hopeful terms. there is a feeling that they have run the marathon and they are just within sight of the finish line and they feel that if they could just get through this toughest part then they can actually make a deal. i think the iranians feel the very same thing. they've spent 18 months we've been here through most of it 18 months trying to get a deal. but now what they are really down to is really tough political choices. and my impression based on what we're learning is that neither side is likely to come away from this deal without having some major political fallout when they go home. and that's the problem. they are struggling to be able to say to the world that they
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got a good deal, that they didn't gave away too much and got too little. >> ann curry, thank you for joining us from switzerland. appreciate it. >> we will keep watching that story. meanwhile, a vital piece of infrastructure and are we doing enough to protect it. that's next. they work just as fast and taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. ameriprise asked people a simple question: can you keep your lifestyle in retirement? i don't want to think about the alternative. i don't even know how to answer that. i mean, no one knows how long their money is going to last. i try not to worry but you worry. what happens when your paychecks stop? because everyone has retirement questions. ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. to get the real answers you need. start building your
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valley near san jose attacked by sniper fire 100 rifle rounds damaging 17 transformers. >> this event was clearly a game changer for pacific city gas and electric and the industry, no doubt about it. >> reporter: two years and $15 million in repairs later, still no named suspects, no arrests. from terror to theft, attacks on our power grid happen every week. analyzed by "usa today," more than 300 incidents occurred in the past four years. >> many of these were as simple incidents of attempted copper theft or copper theft. others were sophisticated attacks like what we saw in metcalf. >> reporter: and now a new threat cyberattacks. >> you can probe and get into the networks and control systems on the power grid and we had the defenses to prevent that.
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>> reporter: the department of homeland security tells nbc news it is a variety to quote, strengthen our fran structure to reduce risks to systems we all rely on including the electrical grid. pg & e is increasing security at their plants and have added surveillance cameras. >> here we are with a wide open gate. >> reporter: but a three-month investigation by kntv found security gaps at other substations. >> no on site security that we can see. >> reporter: without providing details, pg & e told us they are investigating advanced measures. no one lost power in the 2013 attack but it was a wake-up call. >> i think it was a significant turning point for us. that's the reality. >> reporter: last november industry regulators put in place a new physical security standard
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requiring all power companies to identify critical transmission facilities and analyze threats and vulnerabilities and enact new security plans. as threats evolve attacks are more frequent and one successful attack is too many. jacob rascon, nbc news san jose, california. >> joining me is steve riley, the investigative reporter. thanks for joining me tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> i think anyone can understand someone going over a grid and lifting some copper. but what about the cyberstuff here which is a lot newer and scarier to people? >> well we looked at both types of attacks, both physical and cyber. physical attacks, they do represent security breaches that no one wants to see breached and those are a real concern like we saw in the metcalf incident. security cyberabeing tattacks, we
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saw that in a broad rang of areas, from urban areas to one that we looked at in rural texas. these are attacks happening all over the country. >> what's the goal? >> well in a lot of cases, no one knows. that's one thing we looked at is how often suspects are apprehended and rarely they are. so he we don't know specifically what the motives of some of these attackers are or who they are. >> that's scary right there. you don't know who it is and you don't know why they are doing it. if someone is trying to knock off an atm, you have an understanding of the kind of crime and threat you are dealing with. here you're telling me someone could be trying to cut out power to a neighborhood or a wider part of the city and we don't even know what they are up to. >> exactly. and that's even in the attack at the metcalf substation in
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california, those suspects were never apprehended, as we saw in that report. we don't know who they were or what they wanted and why they attacked that substation. >> let me push back on what some security analysts are saying regarding the scope of this. politico surveyed about half a dozen experts. they said look it's virtual low impossible for one of these online only or cyberattacks to cause a widespread power outage to our north american power grid. do you think that's an accurate assessment. >> what our experts are most concerned about is some kind of combination of an attack. either a physical attack at the same time or some type of physical attack combined with the cyberattack. some type of combination that would have the potential for a broader effect. >> and given this reporting, would you say that people should be more prepared at home for the eventuality of losing power for
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a long time? did it make you want to change any of your own practices? >> well it might. you can go on to fema's website. they have a list of what to do to prepare. and a lot of folks i think might find that useful. but it did raise a concern. these are an almost constant stream of attacks on the infrastructure we all depend on for our daily lives. >> i think that's absolutely fair to say. if one is debebilitating, one will ask why isn't the grid protected after the fact. right now it's at a harm level that most people can ignore. what your team did was so interesting. steve riley, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. up next, "the daily show" has a new host and we'll introduce you to him. that's straight ahead. ♪ hands. ♪ you got it booking right. ♪ booking.yeah bring us your aching and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested.
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i've wanted to be black, that's what i've wanted. i met an american and he was shocked that in south africa he said to me trevor if you go to america, they'll label you as black. i said really? he was like oh hell yeah. yeah, everybody is black out there. yeah. you'll be super black. i said that sounds good to me. super black. and i made a choice the first chance i get to america, i'm going to get a piece of that black. >> today, comedy central announcing south african trevor noah will replace the legendary jon stewart as the new host of "the daily show." he's a 31-year-old and joined the show late last year.
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he's appeared only three times and he's talking chess to ebola to american's views of africa. >> i've got to be honest, jon, africa is worried about you guys. you know what they tell their children every day, be grateful for what you have because there are fat children starving in mississippi. in fact we're so worried that me and some of my friends got together and i told them i said guys for just a few pennies a day, you can help an american. >> that's very kind, trevor. >> now, they are expecting something from you in return. they are expecting at least a letter man. >> i know how that goes. yeah. >> you can just draw a picture. >> you can just draw a picture. earlier today noah tweeted "no one can replace jon stewart but together with the amazing team we'll make this the best damn news show." best of luck to trevor noah who
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>> but there is a new debate raging in the scientific community. should we listen for potential sounds from aliens in outer space or should we contact them ourselves? for decades, they have used large radio antennas. here computers operate as sophisticated radio scanners checking 28 bands filtering out the background noise of outer space. >> yes, it's the stuff that you've seen in movies. and they want to start
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initiating the conversations from earth. the proposal is new. and with the capacity to detect us will automatically take the initiative to make contact to let us know that they exist. but, he continues, there may be civilizations out there to existence unless we make it clear we want to make contact. some are urging caution, including some heavy hitters. two dozen people including billionaire founder of spacex elon musk are asking to halt any attempt to contact possible. a discussion must occur before any message is sent, that they say. neil degrassy tyson may have
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said it 0 best we don't give our address to members of our species when we don't know. the urge to give our home address to aliens is audacious. here's the thing. holding aside those uncertainties it would be awesome to make contact with an advanced civilization. joining me to explain the debate is the chief astronomer. derek pitts. good evening. >> good evening. thank you for having me. >> absolutely. this is a real thing. the idea of actively saying we're not going to just wait and listen but transmit. what do you say to the criticism i showed on the screen? >> well you know the criticism on the screen is wrapped around tremendous amount of assumption about what aliens are like. we have to remember that anytime we talk about what the alien reaction would be to whatever signal we snds out. whenever we talk about that we are automatically assuming that aliens will a, understand what
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our signal has to say, and b it would mean anything to them at all. so we are beginning in a place where things are pretty shaky to start. i don't see any real problem with sending out information about us. after all our radio signals have been traveling in space for about 100 years any way. there's nothing we can do to recall that. any civilization listening will get a taste of what we are like here already. >> what about the legitimacy piece of this. this seems like a big decision for the world if we are going to -- global debate on this or how do you -- technology gets to pinging out there in. >> actually i think it is a global debate to determine what we should send that represents humanity on the planet. that's rlt the thing. we want to send messages that express the diversity of life here.
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in that sense, if we have one small group deciding what goes out, you know perhaps that group isn't being selective enough to show the great diversity of what is happening here on earth. maybe it is a scientific message that says this is a planet. we're around this star. we're in this location in space. that's a different sort of thing all together. i think if we are going to represent the life on the planet we should have a bigger discussion about what all we put in. >> there's one question over whether life exists and a second question over whether we transfer information to them would they come to us or bring something to us. how would that be possible if they are light years away? >> this is all part of the assumption piece. that is that again we're assuming if they understand what our message is or understand who we are, even if the life is of a form that could understand any of what is transmitted to them at all, that's the thing that drives what would happen. so again, the next thing that happens is the travel time.
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any life form that's at some considerable distance away from us. say 100 lightyears away. if they could travel at the speed of light it would take 100 years to get there, would they really want to use that that way? >> that's a long trip. >> final question, did if they did and fland the u.s. are the space yail aliens entitled to obamacare? >> that's a good question. i'm sure the republicans would have a good answer to that. >> it's the news so we have to get in some of that. thank you for talking to us about this big debate. >> thank you. >> that's "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> i have higher expectations for the aliens than to believe we are talking to them when we tell them about things we care about. i have to imagine they are a bigger deal. nice to see you. >> thank you for joining us this hour. happy monday.
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the highest ranking statewide elected officials in the state of missouri are the two u.s. senators claire mccaskill and roy blunt. the democratic governor of the state jane nixon n. the year claire will not be up for re-election. yet another reason why in 2016 she should totally run for president. i don't think she d ever is going to but she should. i'm just saying. in 2016 roy blunt is up for re-election. he may get a run for his money in terms of trying to hold on to his seat. democrats will run the current secretary of state against roy blunt. his name is jason candor. he is young and aggressive, well known in the state. already holds state-wide office. in 2016 that's going to be a presidential year electorate which is way better for democrat s than nonpresidential years are in terms of who turns out to


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